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		<title>By: Mike Caulfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Caulfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to cheer you up from Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com:

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The closest recent parallel I can find to the Ted Stevens situation is that of former Ohio governor Bob Taft, who in August, 2005 was convicted on misdemeanor charges of failing to disclose gifts and golf trips paid for by lobbyists. Taft plead no contest and remained in office, but this didn&#039;t have a favorable effect on his approval ratings. He went from a 34-55 (-21) in a University of Cincinnati poll taken in April 2005 to a 26-65 (-39) in the same poll in August 2006, a net decline of 18 points.


Let&#039;s assume that Stevens will also suffer a decline in his net approval score of 18 points. Since he&#039;s at roughly 50/50 now, that would put him in the range of 40 percent approve, 60 percent disapprove. Our regression model uses approval ratings for incumbent senators as one of its inputs, and thinks a decline of this magnitude would cost a senator about 6 points in the polls ... actually, 5.8 points. So what we&#039;re going to do is apply a 5.8 point penalty to Stevens&#039; numbers in Alaska. Since the race was a toss-up before, this puts him about 6 points behind overall, making Mark Begich an 87 percent favorite to take his seat. That seems conservative to me, frankly, given that even the guys at RedState are abandoning Stevens, but it&#039;s what we&#039;ll run with until there&#039;s some polling out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think there is an issue that the damage was already done *before* the trial -- who really thought Stevens was innocent? Still, toss-up election, wave year -- I think the odds are at least a bit over even. But then, I know little about Alaskan political sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to cheer you up from Nate Silver over at fivethirtyeight.com:</p>
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The closest recent parallel I can find to the Ted Stevens situation is that of former Ohio governor Bob Taft, who in August, 2005 was convicted on misdemeanor charges of failing to disclose gifts and golf trips paid for by lobbyists. Taft plead no contest and remained in office, but this didn&#8217;t have a favorable effect on his approval ratings. He went from a 34-55 (-21) in a University of Cincinnati poll taken in April 2005 to a 26-65 (-39) in the same poll in August 2006, a net decline of 18 points.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume that Stevens will also suffer a decline in his net approval score of 18 points. Since he&#8217;s at roughly 50/50 now, that would put him in the range of 40 percent approve, 60 percent disapprove. Our regression model uses approval ratings for incumbent senators as one of its inputs, and thinks a decline of this magnitude would cost a senator about 6 points in the polls &#8230; actually, 5.8 points. So what we&#8217;re going to do is apply a 5.8 point penalty to Stevens&#8217; numbers in Alaska. Since the race was a toss-up before, this puts him about 6 points behind overall, making Mark Begich an 87 percent favorite to take his seat. That seems conservative to me, frankly, given that even the guys at RedState are abandoning Stevens, but it&#8217;s what we&#8217;ll run with until there&#8217;s some polling out.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think there is an issue that the damage was already done *before* the trial &#8212; who really thought Stevens was innocent? Still, toss-up election, wave year &#8212; I think the odds are at least a bit over even. But then, I know little about Alaskan political sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I&#039;m wrong. I think the best bet is for Begich to win. I&#039;m doubtful, but it is close enough to consider. If he doesn&#039;t, I highly doubt they&#039;d boot Stevens-- they would likely censure him, but they&#039;ve only expelled something like 15 sitting senators *ever* and a dozen of those for actions w/r/t the Civil War! I would guess that the Senate Rs would rather take the position that this wasn&#039;t at that level of disgrace, prob with a tacit understanding that Ted wouldn&#039;t be running again. After all, the reasoning goes already by some on the right, the defense team just messed this up and the charges are pretty minor in the overall picture...

But I hope you&#039;re right, either way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong. I think the best bet is for Begich to win. I&#8217;m doubtful, but it is close enough to consider. If he doesn&#8217;t, I highly doubt they&#8217;d boot Stevens&#8211; they would likely censure him, but they&#8217;ve only expelled something like 15 sitting senators *ever* and a dozen of those for actions w/r/t the Civil War! I would guess that the Senate Rs would rather take the position that this wasn&#8217;t at that level of disgrace, prob with a tacit understanding that Ted wouldn&#8217;t be running again. After all, the reasoning goes already by some on the right, the defense team just messed this up and the charges are pretty minor in the overall picture&#8230;</p>
<p>But I hope you&#8217;re right, either way!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure about your prediction that Stevens will be around quite a while longer. If it&#039;s true that Begich was running almost even before the verdict, it seems plausible that the conviction might just be enough to tip the balance. And even if he does win, I&#039;m not so sure the Senate Republicans, who are about to hit rock-bottom after this election, are going to be so passive about letting Stevens hang around---they&#039;re going to be looking to turn things around. It doesn&#039;t help Stevens that so many Republicans have been hit by scandals recently, nor that Stevens is part of a larger scandal in Alaska. And my impression is that national Republicans are not huge fans of big-spending Ted, a senator of a small-time state, who uses seniority to divert an enormous slice of the pie to our state (and a little bit of pie for himself!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure about your prediction that Stevens will be around quite a while longer. If it&#8217;s true that Begich was running almost even before the verdict, it seems plausible that the conviction might just be enough to tip the balance. And even if he does win, I&#8217;m not so sure the Senate Republicans, who are about to hit rock-bottom after this election, are going to be so passive about letting Stevens hang around&#8212;they&#8217;re going to be looking to turn things around. It doesn&#8217;t help Stevens that so many Republicans have been hit by scandals recently, nor that Stevens is part of a larger scandal in Alaska. And my impression is that national Republicans are not huge fans of big-spending Ted, a senator of a small-time state, who uses seniority to divert an enormous slice of the pie to our state (and a little bit of pie for himself!).</p>
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