Comments on: LinkLog http://chrislott.org/story/Linklog-2008-02-27-1300/ Musings on education, techology, and life.. Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:19:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: chris http://chrislott.org/story/Linklog-2008-02-27-1300/comment-page-1/#comment-134606 chris Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:02:43 +0000 #comment-134606 You're on a different path doing different things... a path I think you want to be on. That's not a bad thing. I think one of the great things about the ideas seeing some focus in the whole web 2.0 conversation is the immense value of non-technical participation. In the old web, being up to date with tech skills was a kind of gatekeeping device. Now the people making non-technical stuff are more important than the geeks who love them. Plus, almost everyone is hopelessly behind. Were it not for the ubergeeks who make open access to data and methods to mash and mix and combine, it would be obvious :) You’re on a different path doing different things… a path I think you want to be on. That’s not a bad thing. I think one of the great things about the ideas seeing some focus in the whole web 2.0 conversation is the immense value of non-technical participation. In the old web, being up to date with tech skills was a kind of gatekeeping device. Now the people making non-technical stuff are more important than the geeks who love them.

Plus, almost everyone is hopelessly behind. Were it not for the ubergeeks who make open access to data and methods to mash and mix and combine, it would be obvious :)

]]> By: beau http://chrislott.org/story/Linklog-2008-02-27-1300/comment-page-1/#comment-134604 beau Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:57:52 +0000 #comment-134604 Your remark on pens harmonizes well, I think, with mine on Route 66. More likely I'm just chafing at the loss in value of some of the intellectual investments I made in 1995. I was once ahead of the pack; now hopelessly behind. Your remark on pens harmonizes well, I think, with mine on Route 66. More likely I’m just chafing at the loss in value of some of the intellectual investments I made in 1995. I was once ahead of the pack; now hopelessly behind.

]]> By: chris http://chrislott.org/story/Linklog-2008-02-27-1300/comment-page-1/#comment-134602 chris Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:50:14 +0000 #comment-134602 Beau-- I think you are barking up the wrong tree here and exhibiting a fundamental misunderstanding of what we are talking about when we talk about web 2.0. No matter how you use the web, you are reliant on a host of technologies that you aren't in control of yourself. Then you draw an arbitrary line and call "hosted". Web 2.0-- particularly in Jim's work with WordPress-- is about harnessing the openness of data and open source software to create a richer learning environment. In my opninion hosted application isn't a problem if it is freely accessible and the data has transparent access. As for "Best in any browser"-- I've given up on that, the same way I don't expect the world around me to accommodate my desire to use fountain pens, telegraphs and horseless carriages. Just because something has been around for a long time doesn't mean it needs to be accommodated still, not when there are plenty of alternatives freelyavailable. Pretty much every application that ed tech folks are talking about when they talk about Web 2.0 will run just fine on Linux and FireFox, both open source, but not just "any" browser. Beau– I think you are barking up the wrong tree here and exhibiting a fundamental misunderstanding of what we are talking about when we talk about web 2.0. No matter how you use the web, you are reliant on a host of technologies that you aren’t in control of yourself. Then you draw an arbitrary line and call “hosted”. Web 2.0– particularly in Jim’s work with WordPress– is about harnessing the openness of data and open source software to create a richer learning environment. In my opninion hosted application isn’t a problem if it is freely accessible and the data has transparent access.

As for “Best in any browser”– I’ve given up on that, the same way I don’t expect the world around me to accommodate my desire to use fountain pens, telegraphs and horseless carriages. Just because something has been around for a long time doesn’t mean it needs to be accommodated still, not when there are plenty of alternatives freelyavailable. Pretty much every application that ed tech folks are talking about when they talk about Web 2.0 will run just fine on Linux and FireFox, both open source, but not just “any” browser.

]]> By: beau http://chrislott.org/story/Linklog-2008-02-27-1300/comment-page-1/#comment-134562 beau Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:24:59 +0000 #comment-134562 I don't know Jim well enough to tease him thusly, but you'll recognize the flavor of this whinge: So long as "advances" in "the web" are primarily reliant on proprietary tech and hosted apps (as contrasted with open source tech built on standards and increased individual empowerment) then I think we might better call it Web 0.2. Still wearing my best-with-any-browser badge on my sleeve, I reckon. Waking up from the utopian dream, however, there's an appealing argument that what we're seeing with the googlization of everything is akin to the switch from Route 66 to it's replacement with Interstates. In such a view I'm just an old fogey who prefers Nat King Cole to FlavaFlave. I don’t know Jim well enough to tease him thusly, but you’ll recognize the flavor of this whinge: So long as “advances” in “the web” are primarily reliant on proprietary tech and hosted apps (as contrasted with open source tech built on standards and increased individual empowerment) then I think we might better call it Web 0.2.

Still wearing my best-with-any-browser badge on my sleeve, I reckon.

Waking up from the utopian dream, however, there’s an appealing argument that what we’re seeing with the googlization of everything is akin to the switch from Route 66 to it’s replacement with Interstates. In such a view I’m just an old fogey who prefers Nat King Cole to FlavaFlave.

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